The key is that youre not suppose to JUST sit under the teaching/preaching of anyone without reading the Bible, seeking wisdom from God, and fellow shipping with people who are interested in drawing closer to God. 55. He says he isnt saved but is open minded and is at least asking questions. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brothers eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? There are those who are called to rebuke abusive religious practices. 25. So the IFB pastor did counseling for 2 weeks and then, despite physical abuse, told you to get married! If you think that other than suits and ties for men is too casual for Sundays While I dont believe that you must dress up for church with suits and ties, however, I do believe we should honor God in His house by dressing up. (Ephesians 2:8-10; John 1:12; I Peter 1:18-19). It took exposure to more mature Christians (who were not not IFB!) 18 And you say that to swear by the altar is not binding, but to swear by the gifts on the altar is binding. I do not know if laugh or cry , almost 30 yrs involved in this , Im still a Christian , I serve in my church , Ive learned more since I left the movement , I am happier more devoted Christian than when I was manipulated to go out soulwinning , bus driving ,Sunday school teaching etc. If the devil is going to attack, he will attack the family and the church first. Id rather do the hard work than be a robot though. Im glad they didnt because Id probably be ashamed admitting Im a liar. If you think that you can be a better Christian or have more favor with the Lord with good performance You cant make up for sins nor can salvation be earned. Then they paid for your reception, photographers and shower? The New IFB considers the modern nation of Israel to be a fraud and it also teaches that Christians rather than Jews are God's chosen people. You would probably also classify the God of the Old Testament as abusive. You ALWAYS have your KJV Bible with you at church, and turn to numerous verses each sermon. N/A God forgave because Jesus saved. That being said, I just want to warn the author about injecting too much of his own agenda into these posts. More insights from your Bible study - Get Started with Logos Bible Software for Free! The Pharisees were filled with hypocrisy and iniquity and my church is not. Jesus says that if you love Him, that you will keep His words.. Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. You got me I am an IFB college grad. I will never forget that day that I sat in my pastors car and he prayed with me, he didnt know what was happening in my life, but he knew I needed someone to pray with and I could see it in his eyes. You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. Clearly only one unforgivable sin is mentioned in the Bible (KJV even) and that isnt it. I hope whatever poor experience you had hasnt taken you away from the faith. I understand that its hard to convey emotions when typing, but the above list does not have the feel that it was done with a spirit of love but one of condemnation. The IFB Insidious Fundamental Baptist Church . If you stay, Im almost certain youll end up regretting it. We recognize the ordinances of baptism by immersion in water and the Lord's Supper as a Scriptural means of testimony for local churches in this age (Matthew. Hes a different man today thanks to Gods grace in our life. 19 How blind! (Romans 13:1-7; Ephesians 5:21-6:4; Hebrews 13:17; I Peter 2:13-15). Wow! They are counting on your service and tithe. As God's priests, we can study His Word, pray for our needs, intercede for others, offer worship, and serve in His work. We are not affiliated with any man-made external organization be it a Convention, Association, Fellowship, or National Denomination. 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. 23 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Forgiving someone has nothing to do with whether or not you believe that Jesus died for their sins. Im not responsible for how its perceived. The home, the church, and the state are equal and sovereign in their respective Biblically assigned spheres of responsibility under God. I prefer Kjv! I dont think it applies to all IFB churches, the ones I grew up in didnt do some of these, but the rest definitely apply. Tattoos are the marks of the Devil I really dont know if they are marks of the devil but I do agree that tattoos are sinful even if its against the Old Testament. If your pastor is a true scholar of the Bible and is on fire with eagerness to teach it, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Our accountability comes through a board of directors comprised of 24 independent fundamental Baptist pastors who, in turn, were elected to serve as directors by independent fundamental Baptist pastors. People that oppose things is due to beliefs, so I believe if you oppose the IFB church its because you dont believe what their teaching not because there bitter. We ONLY pray to God because saints dont serve as mediators to God the Father. Freedom of choice demands personal responsibility. We dont mind being scrutinized or even judged. Three words vacation bible school *shiver*. If you believe that the wine referred to in the Bible is nothing more than fruit of the vine (AKA grape juice), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 26. Jesus tells us in Matthew 7:1-5: Judge not, that ye be not judged. I do into great detail about why I believe the IFB is cultish in practice. If you run into a church member at the grocery store and see that they have a bottle of wine or maybe a 6-pack of beer in their cart and you struggle over whether you should share this information with your pastor, you might be and independent fundamental Baptist! 26 You blind Pharisee! If you think that singing anything other than hymns in church is too liberal, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 15. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist network, most prominently associated with anti-LGBTQ pastor Steven Anderson, appears to be in turmoil as infighting again erupts, this time between Anderson and fellow pastors in the network. Hey there. We got saved that day September 14, 2014. We went to th IFB church that next day to say we went to get them off our back. God has given each institution specific Biblical responsibilities and has balanced those responsibilities with the understanding that no institution has the right to infringe upon the other. The women that I befriended in this church will always be my sister in Christ. If you believe that you can tell who the good Christians are and who the bad Christians are by looking at the fruit in their lives, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 51. [7], The New IFB currently lists 30 affiliated congregations on their website. Fannin was later ejected as the lead preacher of SBC-Jax. And theyre most likely convinced that Donald Trumps election is really going to make their civil life better! 6 And they love to sit at the head table at banquets and in the seats of honor in the synagogues. What your pastor told you is extremely dangerous and silly. 35. If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. OK That list just brought back memories that I can thankfully laugh at now. Im so thankful for Gods grace on your life and the lives of your family. [6] Adam Fannin, the lead preacher at SBC's Jacksonville satellite campus, refused to acknowledge the authority of Jonathan Shelley, another Texas New IFB pastor who took over SBCFort Worth following Romero's resignation. hypocrite. Most Christians believe everything in the Bible. Ask questions if you need to and Ill be happy to explain more. Even though I dont believe the churchs teachings anymore, Im very grateful for the care and support I received from the Baptists growing up. Well Pastor Wilkerson is no longer here, and welllll.as far as Im concerned will never be the same. I dont even know what a Scofield Bible is but I believe God can use divorced people. Come and join. I believe this passage is a description of the IFB church Im a member of. All people need to do is humbly ask for one. First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friends eye. And yet, they honor the Scofield Bible!!! A strong percentage of our funding comes through several hundred local churches who support Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. Ive known many people whom God has reached using the IFB. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) movement is a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their When you find Christ, you are a new creation and the spirit helps you to live a life that pleases Him, not us. Since God looks at Jesus to forgive Ill look at Jesus also to forgive. Also, please scroll up for additional information regarding your objections which Ive responded to ad nauseam. The IFB is the one who is hurting the cause of Christ, just like the Pharisees did. While I dont have a general opinion on this, I do believe that we should discipline our kids in the same sense that God disciplines us. If your church funnels in inner city kids via a bus ministry, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 24. Great job adding a bit of levity! Care to elaborate, provide examples? If you think anything what the churches teach about salvation is easy believing this is not true in our congregation. Same pastor who says to his congregation I love you, we all love you here.and we will not judge you. You dont just GO WITH THE FLOW. Good point Steve! The New IFB is strongly opposed to homosexuality, with several pastors advocating the belief that homosexuals should be executed by the government. 26. What is a Bible Baptist Church, and what do Bible Baptists believe. If you believe that all Catholics are going to hell, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 35. What is the Southern Baptist Convention and what do Southern Baptists believe? Was so funny reading it, one thing that struck me is if an outsider were to read it theyd be incredulous, wondering how we stuck with it for so long. The thing is, its so insidious, you dont really realize its happening until youre firmly entrenched. Believers will be caught up to be with the Lord prior to the seven years of tribulation, and at the end of the tribulation Christ will return with His saints to establish His thousand-year reign on the earth (I Thessalonians 4:13-18; Titus 2:13; I Thessalonians 1:10; Revelation 3:10; Zechariah 14:4-11; Revelation 19:11-16, 20:1-6; Psalm 89:3-4). 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Why wouldnt I stand up for something I believe in? Each church is autonomous, or self-governing, and contains all human authority for leadership within its congregation. That makes no sense. Or preferring the KJV? They will not participate, as a church, in any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. That being said, your list is probably only funny to those of us who have lived it. WebAn independent, fundamental Baptist, local church oriented faith Mission serving Baptist and Bible churches in their missions outreaches and church planting around the world. Attending all three, in my opinion, is optional. IFB church members know how to laugh and have fun. Like I said, funny post, but a bit judgmental as well. Did you read it? Lots of people at the church stoped what they were doing to attend. 2Co 2:10 To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ; You said we dont forgive people for their salvation we cant because we arent Jesus. I dont think its as bad as all this, but thats my 2 cents and maybe Im still on the inside.. [11] Also in June 2019, Grayson Fritts, pastor at New IFB-affiliated All Scripture Baptist Church and a former detective for the Knox County, Tennessee, Sheriff's Office, delivered a sermon calling for the execution of gays.[12]. 7. I dont believe my husband was the only one hurting the relationship. If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 32. If your church allows no outside group of singers to perform at your church for fear that not all of their individual theologies line up with the churchs you might be an independent fundamental Baptist. We believe that , lesbianism, bisexuality, bestiality, incest, fornication, adultery, and pornography are perversions of God's intended purposes and therefore, sin. If this method were a stock, who would invest in it with such a low return. [14], Tarrant County, Texas preacher Dillon Awes attracted considerable controversy for advocating that "every single homosexual" in America be lined up against a wall and shot in the back of the head. If your church encouraged you to make your own decision about becoming baptized, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Hmm, I cant think of a better word to describe the workings of the IFB! The New IFB does not consider itself to be a denomination. I read Matthew 23 just before writing. You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. It is interesting that you refer to IFB as viewing divorce people as being inferior Christians and are forbidden to hold any leadership positions in the church looking to their Scofield Bibles for direction. Read Matthew 23 for more information. Jesus will save you if you believe in your heart that he was raised from the dead and admit out loud that Jesus is your lord. Also, #55 there has only been and will ever only be one perfect person. Youre supposed to read the word daily, it says give us this day our daily bread. I must put it in Jesus Christ. Believe it or not I can find time to pray while at the same time not sending my loved ones to an abusive church. There are a lot of IFB pastors out there like that, the majority of the ones I sat under were like that, they just want to see you do better. Would the lost or questioning feel that even if someone is attacking your comments, that youre setting an example that they could adopt? Some of these are humorous and right on the money. Tithing was around since before the Law of Moses. 49. We believe raising your hands during warship is appropriate, but the Bible specifically says to bow the head 2 Chronicles 20:18. Anybody who opposes the IFB teaching is bitter Cant say that because anybody who opposes BIBLICAL teaching is spiritually blind because they dont know the truth. We believe that eternal life is the present possession of every believer (John 6:37-40, 10:27-30; Romans 8:1, 38-39; I Corinthians 1:4-8; I Peter 1:4-5; Jude 1, 2). We even have TWO. I dont see how. We believe that the sign gifts of the Holy Spirit, such as speaking in tongues and the gift of healing, were temporary. When this life is over, it doesnt matter! Not of works, lest any man should boast. I dont know your past, but I know mine and it aint righteous. For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the lawjustice, mercy, and faith. If you think anything other than a suit and tie for men is too casual for Sundays, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 11. I am a member of an IFB church, Many things on the above list dont apply to the church I attend or those with which I have had the opportunity to attend. We dont believe if you get rid of all the sin in your life youll be a completely healthy person. Baptists are people of the Bible and not fellings. This list are things that are unique to the IFB. We believe that the souls of the redeemed are, at death, absent from the body and present with the Lord, where in conscious bliss they await the first resurrection, when spirit, soul, and body are reunited to be glorified forever with the Lord (Luke 23:43; Revelation 20:4-6; II Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:23, 3:21; I Thessalonians 4:16-17). This is assuming that the parable of the prodigal son is some kind of instruction on how to deal with a troubled child King James is the inspired word of God While I do like the old King James Bible but King James Only is wrong because its misleading and its legalism. It is awful that they put the rules and instructions of their mythology ahead of their love for 1 John 1:9 Its insidious and extremely toxic. THESE SERMON OUTLINES By Michael D. ONeal, Founder and Pastor Since 1986 Of. Illustration by Don Pfaffe appearing in the Central Conservative Baptist Quarterly I assure you that Im living exactly how God wants me to be living and Im doing it outside of the IFB (yes it can be done LOL). 6 Dont waste what is holy on people who are unholy. 2Co 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. Im sure that this was meant to be funny but I can tell that you seem bitter. For they dont practice what they teach. The abuse would continue and they would be dead and their child would be in foster care. Cleveland Baptist Church - Cleveland, OH - Pastor Kevin Folger ; Community Baptist 33. If it did then unsaved people wouldnt be able to forgive. The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin.. When I read what you have written, I sense that you are bitter, hurt, angry, and possibly disillusioned. Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? 5 Hypocrite! Remember when Jesus rebuked the Pharisees? They try there best to live for Christ and to give God the glory for everything. 28:19-20; Acts 2:41-42, 18:18; I Corinthians 11:23-26). We reject all cooperation with this movement. (Mat 22:37-40) Can you honestly say that this is of God. If your pastor preaches against smoking because it is bad for the body but is himself an obese glutton, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 25. WebHeartland Baptist Bible College is unique. I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. I can forgive people for offenses committed against me. 7 You hypocrites! I have no belief, opinion, or position of this Only thing Ill add to the list is, You might be an IFB if you greet all visitors with huge smiles, handshakes, and extreme cheerfulness. I feel sorry for all the visitors we almost accosted now; no wonder some never came back! I dont agree with the term, sowing discord with the brethren because I agree everything what the Bible teaches. Back then, you had to wear your Sunday best. Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? First Works had previously been the site of protests by activists opposed to its anti-LGBTQ teachings, but police reported there was no evidence linking the protesters to the bombing. I mean yeah, theres some truth to a lot of this. Scripture is Good! I forgot to mention my concerns on some of the other beliefs of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Church: This is very good. Would the lost or questioning feel that even if someone is attacking your comments, that youre setting an example that they could adopt? WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist Preaching and Bible Study from the Word of God the King James Bible at Vision Valley Baptist Church in MT. XII. Or deciding not to clap for special music? Secular music other than old time gospel hymns is sin I dont see anything wrong with rock & roll, oldies music, and country music though it has gotten worse these days than it was years ago but the music I hate the most are hip hop, heavy metal generally, and especially RAP music which my brother likes. Anderson, Fannin and Shelley traded accusations of financial wrongdoing and running a cult. I hope you found some church that preaches the truth (even though they may differ on some things with me). Its never spoken but up there to read. No official opinion on this though as I said we should discipline our children the same way God disciplines us My church members are filled with sin and give account to God alone. Inspired by Jeff Foxworthys You Might Be A Redneck IfI came up with a similar list of items for the IFB. We did 2 weeks of counseling and got married at the end of our last session. (Acts 20:7, Hebrews 10:24-25). sad stuff particularly the responses from obviously brainwashed bible folks. That can get a little hairy, though, because you never know when youll end up at a more liberal churchlike yours! You feel forced to go door to door preaching No general opinion on this since door to door preaching within the IFB is very similar to that of the Jehovahs Witnesses though we should share the gospel to others, especially to those who dont have Christ in their lives. If you think that secular music (i.e., anything other than old time gospel hymns) is sinful, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 19. No one should be forced to any belief against his or her will. 53. My pastor has never taught that man can forgive sins. I received these because of lies that I was single with no income. The New IFB's website lists its core doctrines as salvation by faith alone, once saved always saved, King James Bible-only, the Trinity, soul-winning, "hard" preaching, prewrath post-tribulation rapture, and opposition of worldliness, Calvinism, dispensationalism, liberalism, and Zionism. The preachers who I knew as a teenager all had real degrees in theology from acredited universities. We believe in salvation by grace They have distinct responsibilities and operations. Preachers should not put their congregation under constraint. If your denomination knocked on their door im sure they wouldnt have gotten saved and the helped they needed. You can forgive him, that doesnt mean you have to marry him. If that doesnt raise red flags for you I dont know what will. That is the only sin that cannot be forgiven. Well the whole point of being an independent church is that there is no one that you are responsible to. Hope you have a great day! Please get away from the IFB as far as you can, as fast as you can. If your church has a tract rack outside the sanctuary, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 22. My ministry isnt to the lost, its to help heal those whove been hurt by the IFB. Id have more time to minister to the lost if I didnt have to work to repair the damage done by the IFB. He wasnt saying that spanking is right or wrong, but that definitely extreme discipline and beating kids is not what the Bible teaches. 23. You should do something else with the time God has aloud you.Nonsense is not what people need to hear. Its about Jesus. Point is that we are to edify with love and meekness all brothers and sisters in Christ, not criticize in front of a lost world. Take a look here: https://www.openbible.info/topics/tithe_in_the_new_testament. Although some Independent Baptist churches refuse affiliation with Baptist denominations, various Independent Baptist Church denominations have been founded. We are happily married today blessed with 2 more children. You had to wear a tie if you wanted to preach or preside over the Lords Supper. your comments are offensive, you are narrow minded. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Thats The Holy Spirit speaking to me. If you party, DO NOT drink. I wanted to marry my boyfriend, but I want to fix him first. Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? Its NOT ABOUT US! See if you recognize any. Besides I dont understand why you shouldnt listen to Contemporary Christian music. We believe that God forbids any attempt to alter one's God-given gender identity by any means, including surgery or appearance. If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse than yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, my current pastor, at Balsam Street Christian Church, doesnt do any of the two as he doesnt use the pulpit to preach his sermons anyways. (Genesis 2:24; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:20-32; I Corinthians 5:1; 6:9; I Thessalonians 4:l-8; Hebrews 13:4), We believe that human life begins at conception and that the unborn child is a living human being. I think I find it more funny how you all think it IS funny and Im just over here secretly judging your jeans ;b, But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter. 2. No, its only announced in the powers points as a time and place. If you believe going to the movies is a sin but not renting movies or watching them on TV, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 10. What your pastor told you is a severe twisting of scripture (if he even used scripture). If you attend a church that has a team of men who are charged with keeping an attendance count each Sunday, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 43. Let God tell you who He is in the letter He wrote for you and youll find a love you cannot comprehend. G. M. Matheny. If we must consider these points as a point for consideration, these ought to be a source form the Bible. Theres a lot that is biblical in your post that we should want to do and some not biblical and therefore should abstain from practice. We only care when we see new faces in the church, whether guests or new members. 20 When you swear by the altar, you are swearing by it and by everything on it. Stop this shamefulness, as you hurt the ministry of our Lord. I talk to her about my faith she talks to me about her faith. For which is more importantthe gift on the altar or the altar that makes the gift sacred? People are people and free to choose their own way. I do believe the requirements of a bishop and deacon is the husband of one wife.1 Timothy 3:2,12 we dont look down on divorced people. Hypocrites! On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. If you believe that secular psychology is worldly/sinful, but dont think that other areas of medicine are OK, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 45. Mind your own business. Lol. The Lord is doing His work in ths world through local churches. 22. I had a wedding dress from when my boyfriend proposed on December 5, 2010. We can joke around about a differing denomination that we dont agree with, but how we react to a situation that wasnt intended, also matters greatly. N/A People to Be Executed", "Deported NZ pastor Logan Robertson shows no remorse for harassing 'sissy' Muslims", "Police investigating Auckland pastor who threatened homosexuals", "Advocates urge supporters to ask landlord to evict Stedfast Baptist", "North Texas church that called for execution of gay people won't be evicted", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_Independent_Fundamentalist_Baptist&oldid=1142179437, Baptist denominations established in the 21st century, Anti-Islam sentiment in the United States, Organizations that oppose LGBT rights in the United States, Christian organizations established in 2017, Short description is different from Wikidata, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 28 February 2023, at 23:30. Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? Oh well, maybe another discussion. Like I said, forgiveness doesnt mean anything other than forgiveness. Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. However, some (I agree Ogrodnik) are unfair and judgmental. But I still think that every Christian should spend some time in an IFB church. WebBaptist beliefs are seen as belonging to three parties: General Baptists who uphold Arminian soteriology, Particular Baptists who uphold Calvinist soteriology, and Independent Baptists, who might embrace a strict version of either Arminianism or Calvinism, but are most notable for their fundamentalist positions on Biblical 11 The greatest among you must be a servant. Im told its because when u abandon the real truth, theres hardly any hope. If you go to a church that sings/plays Just As I Am at the end of every service, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 21. We fellowship with sister churches of like precious faith and practice, and support missionaries sent forth by the authority of such churches. They are shared in my article about tithing: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. 25 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees.
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