(Kate and Zachary; judge in court; Shirley being escorted from court), Mr. KUENNE: I don't know. As one friend said, Hes like the blessing Andrew left behind. It was for Zachary that Andrews parents retired, cashed in all their savings and moved from their lifelong home in Pennsylvania to Newfoundland, where Shirley Jane Turner lived. But two months later, that would change, after Shirley appealed, again to be released on bail. Ensure local journalism stays in your community by purchasing a membership today. We couldnt actually believe shed (harm Zachary), but we consciously feared she could do that, he said. Kate & David Bagby will now be called as witnesses before the committee, the bill will be revised and strengthened, and eventually brought back into the House and Senate for a vote. All rights reserved. Dear Zachary has been announced as the first film to launch the newly formed MSNBC Films division of MSNBC. We urge you to write your MP (if you're Canadian) or the Attorney General of Canada (if you're not) in support of MP Andrews' bill; the next few months are a crucial time. Click HERE for assistance. I, was like, `Hi, buddy.' But the tributes Kuenne collected remain the spine of the movie, alternating throughout with exposition of the murder and its aftermath. Shirley, held his birthday party at McDonald's. The only thing about his life that didn't make sense to some friends and family was his relationship with that doctor from Newfoundland, the one he'd started dating when going to medical school there. murderer in check. This film was no longer a letter to you, Unidentified Man #23: Well, everybody always says, well, what. MORRISON: Do you find yourself going back and playing that back in your mind? This film wasn't made to win awards, or, for that matter, even be criticized. Cpl. Kate Bagby feels her son was too trusting to agree to meet Turner at the park the day he was killed. If you were to dream up the perfect set of parents, it would be Kate and David Bagby. I praise Kurt Kuenne for having the heart and determination to perfectly put together one of the most powerful documentaries I have ever watched. But he was moved to honor his friend the best way he knew how, by making a film. And in the meantime, without that crucial piece of evidence to charge her with Andrew's murder, Shirley Turner quietly left US soil and returned home to Newfoundland. If you were waiting to find out where exactly the comfort was in this litany of suffering, it is in Bagbys parents. "There, is no indication of a psychological disorder that would give concern about, potential harm to the public generally as her crime, while violent, was, specific in nature." Mr. SHEARS: She's kind of reliving a university life again. MORRISON: And, says T.J., in the way of her opportunities to be. They hadn't been identified, but it's obvious who they, MORRISON: He was right. KATE: People thought she was delicate, you know, and looked KATE: She couldn't kill. Mr. BAGBY: That's one of the options, and that's the one we hoped for. Former Assistant Pastor at Jackson Community Church. They are simply good people. This is the first example in this story of someone seeing something bad coming but not being able to stop it. On a shelf in the California home of David and Kate Bagby, sitting inconspicuously among some lovely china, are two urns. -, "urgent, furiousadmirably well editedthis incredible, well-researched documentary demonstrates the vast gulf one life can leave behind." you have anywhere to put that, or that Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Not yet. It would be kind of upsetting, I guess, to let your son spend time. -. Mr. BAGBY: I think it was a rage at the person who did this. Then, upon. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) He is too happy, Kathleen. And thank God. Purchase the album on: Amazon (Physical CD) iTunes Amazon MP3, DAVID BAGBY'S "DANCE WITH THE DEVIL" RETURNS TO PAPERBACK AND E-BOOK, After four years of being out of print, David Bagby's book "Dance with the Devil" (Andrew Bagby's father's powerful memoir of the events depicted in "Dear Zachary") is finally available in paperback and e-book. A 10th Anniversary Collector's Edition Blu-Ray and DVD with special artwork and packaging is available only from Oscilloscope Laboratories at the link below. MORRISON: Winter is capricious in Newfoundland; repeatedly, spring is briefly offered and then taken back again. They held their breath. KATE: I sat there and bit my lip and cried. And that was midafternoon. Djing. At one point, one friend says that if he had one tenth of the people who cared about him half as much as they do about Bagby, he would be happy. With that kind of goodness, anything is possible. MORRISON: In Kurt Kuenne's documentary, Clark Simpson, one of Andrew's close friends at the hospital, remembers that November morning just two weeks later when Shirley surprised Andrew again. He'd been shot five times, including once in the back of the head, execution style. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy and Cookie Statement and Your California Privacy Rights. Andrew came to St. John's. I got to go to the trial. He travelled across the country, and to England, to collect these reminiscences, which reveal Bagby to be a caring physician and a beloved and charismatic goofball. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, this ranks right up there. ), DEAR ZACHARY 10TH ANNIVERSARY HD REMASTERED EDITIONNOW AVAILABLE ON BLU-RAY, DVD, and DIGITAL, For the film's 10th anniversary, Kurt Kuenne remastered "Dear Zachary", its epilogue, and its bonus features for HD, converting the original standard definition elements to HD shot-by-shot, while remixing the film in 5.1 surround, so that it now looks and sounds as originally intended on today's platforms. If I, just kill her, Zachary will be safe. Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. RELATED:California filmmaker remasters documentary on the lives and murders of Andrew Bagby and Zachary Turner. The film ends with the Bagbys and their relatives, friends, and colleagues reflecting on the father and son, as well as the . Mr. SIMPSON: And he said, `I'm going to need to catch up with you, and we're going to have to do some serious talking.' CONTRIBUTED BY DAVID AND KATE BAGBY Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. It turns out Shirley owned a .22 caliber handgun, which she acquired while living in Iowa. The night was. Kathryn Schulz, reviewing Making a Murderer recently inThe New Yorker, described howtrue-crime projects can allow for bias to masquerade as objectivity and for people (particularly victims and their families) to be reduced to plot points. -, "**** (Four stars). then one day I realized what it was. Imagine being the parents of a man who was killed and then having to ingratiate yourself to the killer in order to keep your grandchild safe. Zachary's life, even talking to her eldest son and his girlfriend about it. Yeah, I mean, I can watch that for sure. It's said there's nothing worse than the death of your child, and this film drives that point home harder and with the utmost care and precision." For those who've asked how Kate & David Bagby are doing now, here's a lovely article from Diane Crocker at Newfoundland's The Western Star. -, "When this haunting, shattering film made its premiere at Park City's Slamdance Film Festival, it received the most sustained ovation of any film I saw this year in Park City. This is how Kuenne represents his emotion at hearing the news that the woman who killed his friend had also killed his friends son. Mr. BAGBY: We fret and worried and everything. put Zachary on her lap to open presents, and he resists. Its a muddled structure, and the film makes frequent aesthetic missteps as well, with frenetic editing, canned music, and heavy-handed imagery. Based on the title alone, it sounds like one of those saccharine documentaries that only the filmmaker and the subject would ever really care about. Click here for ticket information! MORRISON: What did you think when you heard that? Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father sounds like the kind of movie I would never want to see, which is why it took me so long to actually see it. After the shooting, according to Kate, Turner called her claiming she was trying to reach Andrew. I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. of a woman and a baby on the beach, and I lost it again. MORRISON: The ammunition used to kill Andrew was CCI .22 caliber bullets. On December 15, 2010, Governor General David Johnston gave Royal Assent to Bill C-464: An Act To Amend the Criminal Code (justification for detention in custody), making it law in Canada. For an optimal experience visit our site on another browser. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you sure? A security guard reported hearing a. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. iTunes | Amazon Prime Video | Google Play, DEAR ZACHARY ORIGINAL MOTION PICTURE SCORE ALBUM NOW AVAILABLE. The documentary was originally released in 2008. Shirley asked them to take custody of Zachary while she was gone. Mr. DAVID BAGBY: I threw the phone at the desk, and I jumped up and just screamed, `No! None of his friends liked Turner because she was often inappropriate and even harassed one of Bagbys exes and just generally appeared to be an incredibly unstable, crude, and unlikeable personbasically Bagby's exact opposite. They could check cell towers then, but only manually. (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; birthday party), KATE: He didn't want to open presents, you know, he wanted to get, down. Cpl. Interviews with Bagbys friends and family take the place of the usual lineup of witnessesas much attention is given to the fact that he always wore shorts as to the number of times he was shotand their pain functions as evidence as the film builds a case against the Canadian bail and extradition protocols. There are things to do, he said, and they try to enjoy life as much as possible. So we called, and he came over and told us that Zachary and Shirley were. It's great. David and Kate Bagby know all about the unlikely power of love funneled through rage. Kurt Kuennes 2008 documentary, Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father, deserves a second look, especially in light of the recent popularity of true-crime programs like Serial and Making a Murderer., Photograph courtesy Oscilloscope Pictures / Everett. Dear Zachary was also a hit at Silverdocs, the AFI/Discovery Channel Documentary Film Festival over the weekend of June 21st & 22nd, where both screenings were once again met with standing ovations; Silverdocs nominated Dear Zachary for its inaugural Writers Guild of America Documentary Screenplay Award. I would have to dream up some reason to go over, there in the middle of the night, to--for me to just appear on her doorstep, Mr. BAGBY: Turned out I wasn't. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) His parents don't even know, do they? And that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. At least he might have asleep when she went in. She was, pregnant, and the baby was Andrew's. And you just bought the gun, right? June 2, 2015 - June 2020. Then, suddenly, tears. Right? There was plenty of turmoil in the industry, but many shows continued to nourish, illuminate, and delight. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Or what about the one of me and Andrew? 10th Anniversary Collector's Edition DigiPak: Mr. BAGBY: Shirley killed Andrew. And as tragic as this story is, that is also where its consolation lies: that Shirley Jane Turner destroyed everything around her in an attempt to extinguish the love she was incapable of experiencing herself, and in the end she couldnt. When Kate reached down to wipe one away, she accidentally knocked out the plug used to mask his facial wound. Coverage from the 2023 Canada Winter Games, VIDEO: Your daily elite-sports highlight package, Making Canada Better: Atlantic Canadians striving for change, 2023 SaltWire Network. Understood? -, "This documentary will rip out your heart and leave you in the snow without a sweater. Its been more than 10 years since the Bagbys have been back to Newfoundland and Labrador. Dear Zachary was a hit at Slamdance! ', KATE: He's so loved. Photo courtesy of David and Kathleen Bagby, dear zachary a letter to a son about his father, Defector Freelancer Policies, Created In Partnership With The National Writers Union. He said, `What can happen?'. But that didn't erase their unease, or a remarkable feeling, (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; David), Mr. BAGBY: I considered killing her myself, seriously considered it. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Just got up. 1 Photo. David Bagby David Russell Bagby, 64, of Statesville, passed away Wednesday, Jan. 5, 2022. I couldn't see the point anymore. Dr. ANDREW BAGBY: (Wedding videotape) Best man is a little bit of a poor title for these things. She turns to talking of her son and calls him Gods blessing. I had a son I used, (Photo of young Kate; photo of Kate and David; photo of Kate and Andrew), KATE: And then suddenly you're in the pits, and then you have to learn that, MORRISON: Two weeks after Zachary's murder, the press covered a, Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) We believe that the legal system helped her to, MORRISON: Charging the child protection authorities dropped the, ball, and that a disastrous bail system allowed a probable first-degree, (Zachary; court document; Shirley and Andrew). Shirley Turner, awaiting, extradition for murder, was out of prison on bail. How dreadful the knowledge of the truth can be, wrote Sophocles, when theres no help in truth.. Mr. KUENNE: I think he was a little scared of me when I first came up. MORRISON: A couple of hours later, there was another knock at the, Mr. BAGBY: Told us what happened. helped convince me that she would not hurt Zachary. Amending Canada's bail code was my goal in releasing "Dear Zachary" publicly; it is my pleasure to announce that goal is now a reality. Mr. SHEARS: Mm, yeah. If you were to dream up the perfect set of parents, it would be Kate and David Bagby. news about his mother and baby brother, and was slammed with instant blowback. I was like, `Oh, OK, yeah.' Cpl. We. Creating stronger communities. I said, `When do you think you'll be done?' Do you understand? https://www.saltwire.com//california-couple-want-as-many-/ saltwire.com California couple want as many people as possible to know their story | SaltWire sixteen years have passed but for the bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. It also recently won Best Documentary at the Orlando Film Festival and the Audience Award at the St. Louis International Film Festival. MORRISON: When you did find out that she was pregnant, what was your thought? David Bagby wrote Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss, a best-seller in Canada in 2007, about his family's ordeal. I promise within the first five minutes you will be captured by it and you won't be able to tear yourself away. If Shirley, Turner had her way, they wouldn't have met Zachary at all, claiming she didn't. Specific in nature? Bagby, that man about whom no one had a bad word, was left lying face down in a Pennsylvania state park with five bullets in him. Six-month-old Zachary was, returned to her. Did. It would take two weeks. MORRISON: You're in turmoil at that point. MORRISON: What did you think that she would do, kill you? Memorial University Medical School. decision. MORRISON: Zachary fell asleep in his car seat. Gruesome details, abstruse discoveries, and personal secrets are examined with a seemingly cold and impartial eye in the light of the promise that, if seen rightly, they can yield up a picture of the truth. Now that Zachary was starting to walk, he was free to make a beeline to. ', MORRISON: When Dr. Andrew Bagby's bullet-riddled corpse was, found in a Pennsylvania state park in November 2001, his devastated parents. There won't be any question about, whether she can hurt him. Highlights from the week in culture, every Saturday. We send a huge thanks to MP Scott Andrews, his assistant Ken Carter, MP Peter Stoffer, Senator Tommy Banks, his assistant Thrse Gauthier, Gord McIntosh and all those in Parliament who have seen across party lines and supported this bill to honor Andrew & Zachary and help prevent a recurrence of our story. MORRISON: And now that she was freed, Shirley would once again, Mr. BAGBY: We had to take him down the stairs and give him to, Shirley's friend, who happened to have a car seat. They are warm. And when, after his first year at med school, Heather broke off the engagement, Andrew was crushed. She. Because this is where you need it. MORRISON: But Shirley would make it tough for Andrew to do that. We would've done handstands and cartwheels to. I said, `Find her, and I think you'll find who did this.'. It's pretty easy to analyze what the, options are. I never really convinced myself that she, could--that she would hurt Zachary. Well, I said, `Bring some beer. But you will come away believing in people. dropping Shirley and their grandboy off at her son T.J.'s home (Photo of Zachary sleeping in car seat; streets passing), KATE: She said, `Wake up, Zachary and say goodbye to your grandparents.'. We just want as many people as possible to know this story, the documentary, for the practical reasons in my fantasies, I suppose some judge, some place, actually gets it and denies bail to somebody who could kill again. David Bagby. You live your life, you create an entire universe around you, you trundle along, and then FUCK. David Bagby. And then we'd do it through the lawyers. KATE: Ah, it was wonderful. "Kurt Kuenne has crafted a documentary that began as a legacy of a friend in the form of a letter to that friend's child, and that is powerful enough to endure as legend. That child was Zachary, to whom the film is addressed. It had happened almost surely the last, night they were together, and DNA tests would later prove that Andrew was, (Supreme Court exterior; court in progress; house exterior; Shirley and Shears. On the 5th, however, Turner appeared back in Latrobe. MORRISON: When another of Andrew's best friends, Kurt Kuenne, heard about the murder, he also went into a tailspin. Its good to see him again, hear his voice, he said of the images of Andrew. MORRISON: Shirley Turner, also a doctor in training, was 12 years older than Andrew, twice divorced, a mother of three. You will hurt and this film will sit with you for days, weeks, months. Kuenne, a childhood friend of Andrews, started out to make the movie as a tribute to Andrew, but it kept taking on new meanings, first with Zacharys birth and then his death. He's a little bleary eyed, but. MORRISON: Despite it all, the Bagbys were thrilled to be living, with Zachary. MORRISON: Andrew tried to make a clean break with Shirley in October 2001. Parents Kate and David Bagby's story of identifying Andrew's body is devastating. Also, today MP Scott Andrews of Newfoundland introduced a bill in Parliament for its first reading that proposes a modification to Canada's bail code that would justify detention in custody for a suspect who is a potential danger to their own minor children. Wait, thats not true, Sophocles came up with it when he wrote Oedipus Rex about a king who unwittingly fulfills a prophecy that foretold he would kill his father and marry his mother, and then pokes out his own eyes because hes in despair and you cant outrun destiny. You are born, you grow up, you make friends, you get a job, a partner, a house, maybe a car, maybe a kid, maybe more. Mr. SIMPSON: You don't need to go out with a woman because you can't think you can do better. Watching the documentary brings up a mix of feelings from joy to hatred. We were in the way, I guess, of her trying to go to school. On December 4, 2009, Bill C-464 (our bail reform bill) was discussed on the floor of the House of Commons for a full hour, and MP Scott Andrews received unanimous support from all political parties in the House of Commons to advance the bill to the Standing Committee on Justice & Human Rights. This is a huge step forward in the mission Dear Zachary was created to accomplish. Skewed imagery. The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. David Bagby will be signing copies of Dance with the Devil on Sunday, January 20th, from 3-4 P.M. at Dolly's Bookstore, 510 Main Street, Park City, Utah. Dear Zachary will have its World Premiere at the Slamdance Film Festival, January 17-25, 2008 in Park City, Utah! They raised a wonderful, Unidentified Man #26: Thanks for bringing such a wonderful person. No less than seven of those friends had asked Bagby to be the best man at their weddings. You dont leave it behind. Andrew assured his filmmaker friend Kurt that the 40-year-old was a passing fancy. Mr. and Mrs. David Bagby will be notified of the award, and may request background information on the recipient to facilitate any contact between the recipient and the Bagbys. Newfoundland to meet the now 11-month-old little boy. And tears are dropping on him, of course, and Kate went to wipe one of those away off his cheek, and a plug came out, where hed been shot in the left cheek. Sometimes, if you are paying attentionclose attentionyou can see it coming, even if only barely. HEATHER: You are the most amazing, strongest people I've ever. Instead, the film's dramatic nodes are scenes such as the one in which Bagby's parents, David and Kate, recall going to identify their son's body. My TV-consumption habits for the past several months have been awash in murder, and Netflix knows itwhich is how, fresh from binge-watching Making a Murderer and hungry for more, I recently came across Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father. This odd documentarywhich deals with the death of a young physician named Andrew Bagby, who was a childhood friend of the films director, Kurt Kuennemade a small splash when it was first released, in 2008, but its worth revisiting now, in the midst of the recent bonanza of true-crime hits. Mr. KUENNE: I vowed to collect every memory for you before they, MORRISON: As for Andrew's parents, David and Kate, they were, (Graduation photo of Andrew, Kate and David; Shirley with child). And I said, `Who?' He had been shot five times and the No. `You gave me a lovely son, and now it's over.'. ', Because I know you would be worried if we disappeared for a couple of days or, MORRISON: Was she planning something? Said, `Oh, no, I really can't.'. MORRISON: Coming up, Andrew dead. Mommy misses you. June 25, 2008: And I, wanted to scream, `My son's life is on hold forever, and you have the audacity, to apologize to this accused murderer?' And thus the decision from which all else followed. When Kate reached down to wipe one away, she accidentally knocked out the plug used to mask his facial wound. with a supervisor, and we had to be searched. It brings its own special brand of. If it looks like she's likely to go back, how is she going to behave? Both screenings received sustained standing ovations, and the Toronto audience applauded yet again when director Kurt Kuenne announced that he had sent letters to every member of Parliament requesting the opportunity to screen the film for them. Lori Kaufman rw. Previously, Kate was a Founder & Executive Director at Read More Kate Bagby's Phone Number and Email Last Update 11/14/2022 10:26 AM Email k***@mothersagainstmurder.org Engage via Email Contact Number (***) ***-**** Engage via Phone Mobile Number Its not the sort of true crime that leaves you wanting more. You can't tell them this over the phone. Are you having a good day with grandmom and. -, "Some of the week's biggest flicks aren't at Sundancefilmmakers have praised Slamdance film. Oh, my God. MORRISON: Coming up, a knock at the door, and then the news. Mr. BAGBY: The baby would be half Andrew, and that, for us, was sweet. This marks the first time in history an MP from Newfoundland has been able to get a private member's bill through Parliament; since 2001, 2,510 Private Member's Bills have been introduced in the House of Commons, but only 23 - less than 1% - have received Royal Assent. By refusing to become the thing they hate, they provide a profound lesson on the power of love and the courage to survive the unthinkable." Add a bio, trivia, and more. We don't--we don't gush very much. Dear Zachary has been acquired for theatrical release and DVD distribution by the newly formed Oscilloscope Pictures, and will be released in New York on October 31st, and in Los Angeles and Chicago on November 7th. They should have been given custody of Zachary to begin with. kate-and-david-bagby-now-pdf 2/27 Downloaded from thesource2.metro.net on July 22, 2022 by guest the recent London bombings to Law and Order type crimes that make the news only to be replaced by another name.As such, more people are left with the aftermath of dealing with the violent death of a loved one.
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